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acdha 1 hours ago [-]
In addition to being cheaper, you never hear about a massive sun or wind spill and the prices never change due to events thousands of miles away.
ben_w 1 hours ago [-]
Onion headlines aside*, we kinda do? This summer's European heatwave is due to emissions worldwide**; while the historical record has the early emissions from Europe, all the other inhabited continents have also contributed to it since then.
Well technically speaking crude oil is a form of solar energy. (Sun -> plants -> animals -> crude oil)
MikeNotThePope 54 minutes ago [-]
What energy sources do we have that don't ultimately derive from either solar of radioactive decay? Residual heat from object formation perhaps.
ben_w 48 minutes ago [-]
> solar of radioactive decay
We can do fusion, but given the only large sources of that are fusion bombs and nobody wants a bomb-based power plant… :P
_joel 53 minutes ago [-]
Gravity, just ask Jupiters' Moons.
stingraycharles 41 minutes ago [-]
So tidal power, basically?
_joel 34 minutes ago [-]
Yep
x______________ 51 minutes ago [-]
Isn't solar derived from nuclear fusion?
Nukes for the win!
nisegami 44 minutes ago [-]
>There's also a big El Niño event, the Wikipedia page on the heatwave currently expressly denies that this contributed
But isn't that accurate? The ENSO is a specific phenomenon in the Pacific and it's not clear to me how that would impact the EU in such a direct manner.
andsoitis 57 minutes ago [-]
Oil is used for a lot more than power generation.
Symbiote 55 minutes ago [-]
28% is used for petrochemicals and "other".
The rest is for energy, mostly for transport.
binyu 54 minutes ago [-]
Yep, that's one of the reasons it is called "green" energy. On top of renewability, the environmental impact of production is radically different from fossil fuels.
mhh__ 56 minutes ago [-]
The prices do change because (many, at least) renewable projects are subsidised via CFD schemes and so on and atop of that are selling into a spot market that may (it varies) pay them more than what they offer into the market.
It's wonderful technology, the sun is god and so on, but we can't run everything on bursty renewables.
gertrunde 49 minutes ago [-]
Wind spill?
Like... A hurricane?
Sun spill?
Like... A coronal mass ejection?
sd9 46 minutes ago [-]
But hurricanes are going to happen regardless of whether you have a turbine
ekianjo 1 hours ago [-]
good luck building solar without having any petrol or plastics derived from petrol in the supply chain
hdgvhicv 48 minutes ago [-]
About 5kG of polymers per kw. That’s about a gallon of oil if it all came from oil. Where I live a 1kW solar panel offsets 100 litres of oil in a car every year. Oil from a single full tank of petrol could produce enough energy to drive a car about 1 million miles over its lifetime.
savolai 1 hours ago [-]
Also see: black and white or false dilemma fallacy
ben_w 53 minutes ago [-]
Oh no, turns out that even if we stop burning oil we still need 6% of it for plastics, clearly this means there's no environmental benefit to reducing how much we ship by 94%, and we can't possibly for example move the plastic production to where the oil comes from so what we ship isn't crude and oh look people are already genetically modifying bacteria to produce oils suitable for various of the huge range of things in the category "plastic", which is such a broad range of things that saying anything about the whole lot in one go is a bit like saying "eat more fruit" when you mean "you are short of vitamin C specifically", oh wait hang on a minute…
ThrowawayTestr 1 hours ago [-]
It's a good thing we burn all these precious hydrocarbons, less microplastics in the environment.
indiantrains 1 hours ago [-]
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epolanski 1 hours ago [-]
Electricity cost is pegged to energy cost and wars happening on the other end of the planet influence it directly.
That includes renewables.
nisegami 41 minutes ago [-]
Maybe to the end consumer after being integrated into a grid, but the cost to the owner of installed solar/wind energy infrastructure should not change.
CrzyLngPwd 2 hours ago [-]
Just one of the many unintended consequences of the USA and Israel attacking Iran.
hdgvhicv 47 minutes ago [-]
Unintended perhaps but not unpredictable. Distracting from the fact the US elected a paedo, twice, is worth it to the MAGAs.
stingraycharles 39 minutes ago [-]
It was actually predicted and advised against but the decision to go ahead was made anyway.
readthenotes1 45 minutes ago [-]
Unintended but not unforeseeable?
I think "acceptable" is a better adjective here, though people like to disassociate by using "collateral", like with the school of girls blown up the first day...
* https://theonion.com/solar-power-investment-skyrockets-upon-...
** There's also a big El Niño event, the Wikipedia page on the heatwave currently expressly denies that this contributed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_European_heatwaves
Well technically speaking crude oil is a form of solar energy. (Sun -> plants -> animals -> crude oil)
We can do fusion, but given the only large sources of that are fusion bombs and nobody wants a bomb-based power plant… :P
Nukes for the win!
But isn't that accurate? The ENSO is a specific phenomenon in the Pacific and it's not clear to me how that would impact the EU in such a direct manner.
The rest is for energy, mostly for transport.
It's wonderful technology, the sun is god and so on, but we can't run everything on bursty renewables.
Like... A hurricane?
Sun spill?
Like... A coronal mass ejection?
That includes renewables.
I think "acceptable" is a better adjective here, though people like to disassociate by using "collateral", like with the school of girls blown up the first day...